I have assembled an initial tag library for boiler systems and would like to find a group of people interested in participating on that topic. I will be uploading my initial work -- as soon as I learn the Project-Haystack site :)
Nitin GaduraWed 20 Apr 2011
I will be interested to contribute on the Boiler system.I can send a doc with a tag library which i think should be part of the Boiler system or may be i can add to existing library if i can get it from you.
John PetzeThu 21 Apr 2011
Yes I would be happy to share the boiler tags I have assembled. Here they are as a list -- it needs to be formatted in the proper document format (Brian is going to help me with that next week!
steam hot water process steam
heat
sensible heat latent heat
pressure temperature inlet outlet entering air entering water temperature leaving leaving water temperature combustion air water enthalpy cooling water circulating pump fuel
natural gas oil #2 oil #6 oil coal biofuel renewable multi-fuel total heat reheat CO2 O2 CO excess air heat loss radiation convection sulpher carbon nitrogen hydrogen superheater efficiency combustion efficency soot ash
water side fire side heat exchanger fouling fire tube
waste heat watse heat recovery mass flow rate flow meter oxygen trim control load range
heat wheel finned tube shell and tube heat pipe
John PetzeThu 21 Apr 2011
By the way these looked all properly ordered and delimited when I typed it into the Reply screen. It got all messed up when I hit submit.
I will send it to you via email as well while waiting to learn the doc format we will use.
John PetzeTue 26 Apr 2011
I have spent additional time cleaning up and organizing the initial boiler tags and have formatted them as well. Here is where things stand. Looking for input on:
Additional points Changes to suggested names Proper formatting of names (where to use caps etc.) Categorization of tags (for ease of review and explanation)
Boiler types
steam
hotWater
processSteam
Heat types
sensibleHeat
latentHeat
Points types
pressure
temperature
Fuel types
naturalGas
oil
#2 oil
#6 oil
coal
biofuel
renewable
multifuel
Heat exchanger types
heatExchanger
heatWheel
finnedTube
shellTube
heatPipe
Points
enteringAirTemperature
enteringAirEnthalpy
enteringWaterTemperature
leavingWaterTemperature
exhaustTemperature
massFlowrate
flowMeter
oxygenTrimControl (Note: a modulating control point)
coolingWaterFlowrate
circulatingPumpStatus
superheaterPressure
superheaterTemperature
primarySteamPressure
primarySteamTemperature
reheatSteam
desuperHeaterWaterPressure
desuperHeaterWaterTemperature
feedwaterFlowRate
condensateFlowRate
Combustion and Emissions Elements
CO2
O2
CO
sulphur
carbon
nitrogen
hydrogen
excessAir
unburnedHydrocarbons
unburnedCarbon
flueGasSensor
excessAir
oxygen
airFuelRatio
soot
ash
slag
Performance
boilerEfficiency
combustionEfficiency
power
horsepower
KW
BTU
totalHeat
heatLoss
Brian FrankTue 26 Apr 2011
Couple issues to consider:
in AHU we used the term "return" and "discharge", and I think we should stick with that convention across the board for fluids/gases entering or exiting a piece of equipment (I deliberately avoided the term "supply" since it can get confusing based on perspective)
in AHUs and VAVs there was just air returning/discharging from the equipment, here you have listed discharge air and water - it is one or the other? or is it both at the same time? should we include Air or Water in tag name? or stick to saying dischargeTemp is for the primary output (in a boiler or water/steam)
John PetzeMon 9 May 2011
Here is some additional progress on the Boiler tags including proposed definitions and some simplification to address most common systems first.
Boiler types
steam: Marker tag indicating that a boiler produces steam as an output to the load (vs hot water)
hot water: Marker tag indicating that a boiler produces hot water as an output to the load (vs steam)
process steam: Marker tag indicating that a boiler produces process steam as an output (vs hot water, or steam). This implies that the boiler operates at higher steam pressures than steam used for space heating.
Heat types
sensible heat: The amount of heat energy measured solely as a function of temperature, not including phase changes, mass difference, etc.
latent heat: The amount of heat energy including heat energy owing to phase changes mass, mass (due to moisture content or humidity), etc.
Fuel types
The following items are intended to be marker tags to describe the type of fuel that a boiler uses to generate heat.
natural gas
oil
#2 oil
#6 oil
coal
biofuel
renewable
multi-fuel
Heat exchanger types
The following items are intended to be marker tags to describe the type of heat exchanger used in a heating system.
heat exchanger
heat wheel
finned tube
shell and tube
heat pipe
Points
entering air temperature: The temperature of the air entering the boiler for combustion
entering air enthalpy: The enthalpy of the air entering the boiler for combustion, typically adding the additional mass due to water vapor in the air.
entering water temperature: The temperature of the water entering the boiler to be heated and circulated to the load. Entering water temperature may not be the same as the return temperature from the load if make up water is added.
leaving water temperature: the temperature of the water leaving the boiler on its way to the load.
exhaust temperature: The temperature of the exhaust after the combustion process
mass flow rate: The measure of the mass of a substance that passes a certain point. In the case of the boiler it may be the mass of the fuel and air entering for combustion. Units will be mass divided by time.
flow meter: A device that measures flow rate of a substance passing a certain point. HVAC systems may have flow meters for water, air, steam, condensate, etc. Units will typically be volume per minutes for air and water.
oxygen trim control: A control loop or controller device that modulates the amount of oxygen entering the combustion process to optimize combustion for minimum pollutants and maximum efficiency.
cooling water flow rate: Flow rate of water used for cooling -- typically of a piece of equipment versus a building load.
circulating pump status: A point indicating the on/off status of a pump
feedwater flow rate: The amount of feedwater added to a system to make up for losses in the system
condensate flow rate: The amount of condensate returning after steam condenses. Usually measured in mass per time.
Combustion and Emissions Elements
CO2
O2
CO
sulphur
carbon
nitrogen
hydrogen
excess air
unburned hydrocarbons
unburned carbon
flue gas sensor
excess air
oxygen
air-fuel ratio
soot
ash
slag
Performance
boiler efficiency: The efficiency of the boiler system as a whole in converting fuel to heat
combustion efficiency: The efficiency specifically of the combustion process, expressed as a percent
power: The rating of a system (a boiler in this case) expressed as KW
horsepower: The rating of the power of a system (a boiler in this case) expressed as horsepower.
Winston HetheringtonWed 18 May 2011
This list seems very good and complete. Some suggested tags may also exist for other equipment. I expect that exact duplication can be removed latter in this process. One that I noticed is equipment status.
Christian TremblaySun 19 Jun 2011
The terms entering and leaving are also used with chillers / water-water heat-pumps, etc. In fact, I think that discharge and return could lead to confusion on those systems. I would think that when pipes are involved ?!? (chillers, boilers, etc.) enteringWaterTemp or leavingWaterTemp are better choices. My 2cents ! ;-)
Zak KaylorThu 8 Aug 2013
This thread is 2 years old but boiler and boilerPlant are still marked as TO DO in the Haystack site. I think that these can be at least partially filled in.
John Petze Fri 1 Apr 2011
I have assembled an initial tag library for boiler systems and would like to find a group of people interested in participating on that topic. I will be uploading my initial work -- as soon as I learn the Project-Haystack site :)
Nitin Gadura Wed 20 Apr 2011
I will be interested to contribute on the Boiler system.I can send a doc with a tag library which i think should be part of the Boiler system or may be i can add to existing library if i can get it from you.
John Petze Thu 21 Apr 2011
Yes I would be happy to share the boiler tags I have assembled. Here they are as a list -- it needs to be formatted in the proper document format (Brian is going to help me with that next week!
steam hot water process steam
heat
sensible heat latent heat
pressure temperature inlet outlet entering air entering water temperature leaving leaving water temperature combustion air water enthalpy cooling water circulating pump fuel
natural gas oil #2 oil #6 oil coal biofuel renewable multi-fuel total heat reheat CO2 O2 CO excess air heat loss radiation convection sulpher carbon nitrogen hydrogen superheater efficiency combustion efficency soot ash
primary steam reheat steam desuperheater water feedwater blowdown moisture slag unburned dry losses heat balance pulverizer unburned hydrocarbons atomizing steam unburned carbon
power horsepower KW BTU efficiency
flue flue gas flue gas sensor excess air oxygen air-fuel ratio
safety blowdown feedwater exhaust condensate deaeration
water side fire side heat exchanger fouling fire tube
waste heat watse heat recovery mass flow rate flow meter oxygen trim control load range
heat wheel finned tube shell and tube heat pipe
John Petze Thu 21 Apr 2011
By the way these looked all properly ordered and delimited when I typed it into the Reply screen. It got all messed up when I hit submit.
I will send it to you via email as well while waiting to learn the doc format we will use.
John Petze Tue 26 Apr 2011
I have spent additional time cleaning up and organizing the initial boiler tags and have formatted them as well. Here is where things stand. Looking for input on:
Additional points Changes to suggested names Proper formatting of names (where to use caps etc.) Categorization of tags (for ease of review and explanation)
Boiler types
Heat types
Points types
Fuel types
Heat exchanger types
Points
Combustion and Emissions Elements
Performance
Brian Frank Tue 26 Apr 2011
Couple issues to consider:
John Petze Mon 9 May 2011
Here is some additional progress on the Boiler tags including proposed definitions and some simplification to address most common systems first.
Boiler types
Heat types
Fuel types
The following items are intended to be marker tags to describe the type of fuel that a boiler uses to generate heat.
Heat exchanger types
The following items are intended to be marker tags to describe the type of heat exchanger used in a heating system.
Points
Combustion and Emissions Elements
Performance
Winston Hetherington Wed 18 May 2011
This list seems very good and complete. Some suggested tags may also exist for other equipment. I expect that exact duplication can be removed latter in this process. One that I noticed is equipment status.
Christian Tremblay Sun 19 Jun 2011
The terms entering and leaving are also used with chillers / water-water heat-pumps, etc. In fact, I think that discharge and return could lead to confusion on those systems. I would think that when pipes are involved ?!? (chillers, boilers, etc.)
enteringWaterTemp
orleavingWaterTemp
are better choices. My 2cents ! ;-)Zak Kaylor Thu 8 Aug 2013
This thread is 2 years old but
boiler
andboilerPlant
are still marked as TO DO in the Haystack site. I think that these can be at least partially filled in.